I think Larry Seltzer's been living in a box the past year... Java has never looked so promising from where I'm sitting... I hope it's not me that's wrong ;-)
Yeah, this guy is completely full of baloney. Still, it's one of those things that is a running theme in the current developer culture. The numbers don't justify it, and I suspect Seltzer is not factoring economics as much as trendy cachet.
I don't know that "slowing" is the key word for the current state of Java as much as it is "change". Personally I view the change as nothing out of the ordinary even though the average Rails fan overstates its impact on Java by 90%. It's common to always look for better ways to do things.
This is officially Java's 179th death toll! As far as promising, yes, it keeps getting better in my eyes too :) How many more times are "industry experts" going to say Java is dying? It's becoming a laughable concept at this point.
I'm constantly surprised at how shallow so many highly regarded pundits are. The big hype about java was always in relation to the computing experience moving off of the dedicated desktop machine and on to a network centric environment. Java was going to take us there. Well, look around guy, seems like web 2.0 aka ajax aka whatever is going strong. Now excuse me while I go work on a spreadsheet over at the google office site.
MTaylor, actually the big hype about Java was applets. They died and Java went server side. Web 2.0 (Ajax) is pretty much a joke, continually pushed by web monkeys, for a platform that is fundamentally broken for anything than documentic centric web pages. Change is coming though, and we can assume that Java will be slow to catch the boat.
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bloid replied ago:
I think Larry Seltzer's been living in a box the past year... Java has never looked so promising from where I'm sitting... I hope it's not me that's wrong ;-)
rick replied ago:
Yeah, this guy is completely full of baloney. Still, it's one of those things that is a running theme in the current developer culture. The numbers don't justify it, and I suspect Seltzer is not factoring economics as much as trendy cachet.
ilazarte replied ago:
I don't know that "slowing" is the key word for the current state of Java as much as it is "change". Personally I view the change as nothing out of the ordinary even though the average Rails fan overstates its impact on Java by 90%. It's common to always look for better ways to do things.
ilazarte replied ago:
This is officially Java's 179th death toll! As far as promising, yes, it keeps getting better in my eyes too :) How many more times are "industry experts" going to say Java is dying? It's becoming a laughable concept at this point.
roybatty replied ago:
The guy is exactly right. And fanboys that aren't able to look at reality only hurt Java.
MTaylor replied ago:
I'm constantly surprised at how shallow so many highly regarded pundits are. The big hype about java was always in relation to the computing experience moving off of the dedicated desktop machine and on to a network centric environment. Java was going to take us there. Well, look around guy, seems like web 2.0 aka ajax aka whatever is going strong. Now excuse me while I go work on a spreadsheet over at the google office site.
roybatty replied ago:
MTaylor, actually the big hype about Java was applets. They died and Java went server side. Web 2.0 (Ajax) is pretty much a joke, continually pushed by web monkeys, for a platform that is fundamentally broken for anything than documentic centric web pages. Change is coming though, and we can assume that Java will be slow to catch the boat.
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