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Application frameworks are supposed to save you time and effort. That's probably true for most frameworks after you slog through the complex APIs, tutorials, docs, forums, a few just-in-time courses, and maybe even a couple nightmarish starts and stops to your project due to nothing other than the framework itself. I remember working with a big, overwhelming framework back in 1998...a long time ago, and I'm just now recovering. In 1999, the project was abandoned, and the entire team was disbanded. I like to blame it on the framework...and management.