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In the wake of the Giles Bowkett's article questioning the real technical innovation of Ruby on Rails, Mike Pence published an interview with Avi Bryant, the creator of the web framework Seaside, explaining how his positive experiences with Apple's WebObjects led him to advocate for a stateful component model approach in web development. To get a Rails perspective on the controversy, InfoQ caught up with the creator of Ruby on Rails, David Heinemeier Hansson to share his views on Smalltalk, Seaside and the Avi Bryant's opinions.