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By FlySwat
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Published: Nov 24 2007 / 17:41

There are a half dozen users on here who vote down submissions without even reading the site. This strikes true for me especially because I work with a rather unpopular technology (.NET), and I'm very tired of people down voting posts because they are tagged .NET and not even bothering to open them. This also goes for the Ruby people and Java people. Its typically only a handful of members though. Can Comment for Down voting, or read before down voting be enforced?
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dzonelurker replied ago:

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IMO, rather the opposite is happening. People vote submissions up because the title contains a buzzword like Agile, Spring, Hibernate, ... without even reading the site, least of all, understanding the problem, technology or framework at hand.

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planetmcd replied ago:

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Aren't you the person who votes against every post that mentions rails? They're all bad??? Every one??? If you don't like a technology, fine, ignore those articles. If you're a rails wizard and everything written about your precious framework is subpar, write a superior article or stop pissin' on other people's efforts. If you're not a rails wizard, you are one of the people this article is complaining about, voting on buzzword.

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FlySwat replied ago:

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I voted up your comment because you said Agile, Spring, Hibernate....

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dzonelurker replied ago:

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FlySwat replied ago:

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I really tried to get a never ending recursive screen shot, but it didn't work :(

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Christopher Deckers replied ago:

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Is the "vote down" useful anyway?
What would happen if there is a link with 50 votes up and 50 votes down? It seems to me that it is still of value for many people.
I think only votes up really matter, and votes down are more of a "controversial content" indicator.

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FlySwat replied ago:

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I believe that if a post gets a 4 to 1 ratio of downvotes it gets auto buried.

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md40513 replied ago:

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The real problem is that you have to come back to vote on a story. So if the story is long or if I read it later, I forget to come back to vote for it.
If the link is lame, I quickly come back to vote it down.

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Christopher Deckers replied ago:

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> "The real problem is that you have to come back to vote on a story"

Well, I am working on something that hopefully should become public, and tackles this exact problem. I think the possibility to vote on the page itself really is important for lazy people to vote (and I am one of them!)

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changer replied ago:

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Sometimes I read a story outside of DZone (I have more than two hundreds blogs on my RSS) so I can vote up/down without actually opening the story in Dzone. I guess that something that happens to others as well

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antych replied ago:

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Grow up, don't waste our time.

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cbegin replied ago:

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>> Can Comment for Down voting

I think that would be good. To me the whole voting thing is pretty weak without a decent explanation. And if Digg is any example, people don't have a problem pitching in comments...so it shouldn't be an impediment. The number of comments should be built into the "bubble up" algorithm anyway -- if people are talking about it, it must be hot. It doesn't even matter if comments are all positive, all negative or completely controversial -- only completely "flat" links should be DOA.

Alternatively, you could take an infoq approach and allow people to select "zones", so they can only see things they care about. Although it's childish to vote something down because you "just don't like [insert hated tech here]". I feel sorry for those people. Learning about new languages, platforms and approaches will make you a better developer.

>> IMO, rather the opposite is happening.

The original poster's solution would help that situation too.

>> The real problem is that you have to come back to vote on a story.

Agreed. I wouldn't be opposed to a DZone header (think frame) similar to GameRankings or Google Images, that has an easy way to "escape" to the top level or return to DZone, as well as has the vote up/down controls built right into it. If you don't like such headers, then perhaps they could make it a user preference tied to your account or a cookie preference for those not logged in.

>> Grow up, don't waste our time.

Your post is the only waste of time here. The OP has a point.

Clinton

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cbegin replied ago:

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Wow...I just tested something funny....I shouldn't be able to "vote down" my own comment either.... actually, it doesn't make sense for me to vote at all on my own comments or posts....

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axiomshell replied ago:

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KISS (keep it simple, submitter)

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gregf replied ago:

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I voted down for .NET, i normally don't but your rant sucked.

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wittgen replied ago:

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Normally I ignore .Net articles, voting neither up or down. Now I will be sure to vote them down purposefully. Insecurity is unappealing

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antych replied ago:

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You are being ridiculous. This is community driven site, people decide what goes up and what goes down. Popular technologies have better chance of being promoted - that's the whole point!

The bigger problem of dzone is that lots of people are up voting almost everything and quality of articles making to the front page has fell miserably.

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azalewski replied ago:

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I have stopped paying attention to the Up/Down rating because of this. It's kinda like those online polls that organizations flood thinking they are making some esoteric statement.

I write exclusively in C# (for no other reason than that's what the market in my area wants) but I read lots of unrelated articles because they have insightful ways to solve problems. Honestly, a language is a TOOL, not some religious affiliation.
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mswatcher replied ago:

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Hey I totally agree with FlySwat... I had many such bitter experiences..one such great genius is glcomjbrown ...
they come and vote down a 100 new links.. what a stupidity..!
see this one..
http://www.dzone.com/links/optimising_system_memory_for_sql_server_part_i.html

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