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The Java community is impressive large, this is what will take us Java developers to the next level, heading for the future.

there is NO silver bullet

well , the java is the most hardest to deploy,almost no shared-hosting plans,debugging hell and almost died and still people optmistic about it ! the only thing i love about Java is its loyal community

You seems to be kidding, right? Almost dying? Debugging hell? Hard to deploy? Huh? Three false sentences in a row... Arguing with You is just wasting time...

Speaking of Web-development the Java/Servlet/JSP/JSF/Spring/Hibernate/Jsomething 'stack' is the most complex, intricate and clumsy. It may also be the most secure and the one that fits best into a complex enterprise environment.

Speaking of Web-development, what You've spoke about is only little part of what is available in Java. Give me Your definition of "comples\x" or "clumsy" and we could discuss it further. Java is not only JSF. It's also Seam or Struts2 (aka WebWork 3) and gazillion much more "lightweight" frameworks...

Don't forget GWT, Groovy, and Grails... all very lightweight and easy to develop with.

I'm working in a Java web environment. Don't tell me about "lightweight" Java frameworks. The "lightweight" frameworks are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Great insight! What's your solution? If you don't consider Grails lightweight, what is? PHP, .Net, Perl, Python... nothing?

amrlafi is partly right, you know. Deploying Java Web apps on shared hosting is real pain. I've recently done that and the most common scenario is that your application works perfectly on a non-shared environment and does nothing on the shared hosting. And you just cannot see any container (e.g. Tomcat) logs but just yours... And you might need to do logging to the database since you don't have write access for files, not even for your account paths...

You're partly right though and I shouldn't have voted down your reply, but I cannot undo it. Sorry :-(