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By rick
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Published: Nov 08 2006 / 07:02

The Java guys spend three days a week debugging stuff that's gone wrong with Tomcat on one server or another. It's always some incompatibility here, surprise-bite-you-in-the-ass-there. Two applications on the same server use the same JAR file, so the containers refuse to load.
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sdnakhla complained ago:

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sdnakhla reported this link as lame on 11/07/2006 @ 09:14:51

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bloid complained ago:

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bloid reported this link as lame on 11/07/2006 @ 09:18:45

I tend to agree with sdnakhla... We need a "more rant than opinion" option on the complaints form ;-)

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VNegodin replied ago:

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I guess that absence sense of humor might be really dangerous :-)

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dbystrov76 replied ago:

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Very emotional, but not quite clear what is the exact software/hardware
environment causing so many problems for JVM to run smoothly.

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hiveminds replied ago:

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If you hate Java J2EE then you'll love Ruby. Especially if you are a heavy C langauge slinger.

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evanx complained ago:

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evanx reported this link as lame on 11/08/2006 @ 08:15:43

i think the title is crude, taken literally ;)

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cossins replied ago:

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Very emotional, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. I've never worked with Java on that scale, but the problems he mentions are causes of a design philosophy that manifests itself right down to the most basic JDK APIs, and is the main reason why Java is such a huge pain to work with for most people.

- Simon

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johndehope3 complained ago:

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johndehope3 reported this link as lame on 11/08/2006 @ 08:44:02

I'm no prude, but come on, can't we at least post articles to the web without using crude language?

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insideo complained ago:

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insideo reported this link as lame on 11/08/2006 @ 08:59:14

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javaguy44 replied ago:

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It is definitely your java guys design, no questions full stop. I see a couple of problems right away...multiple versions of jdk? For a server side app? Who the hell allowed that to happen? Talk about bad IT governance.

As for the difficulties in adding a new table; I can't believe it takes that much effort to add a new table...and if anything at all, it's your mgmt's fault for allowing that kind of architecture into a live environment...as surely anyone w/ even a little IT should know that new tables will always come. I'm even more astounded it takes that long w/ Hibernate(if you get MyEclipse, it will generate most of your hibernate persistence layer classes straight from the SQL Browser)...it's so much simpler in Hibernate as opposed to straight JDBC, or some EJB2(haven't played w/ 3).

Actually, come to think of it...seems like it's your mgmt's philosophy. 256 in RAM is not enough for Java IDE's...but if your company isn't willing to pay for more than that in RAM, then they definitely won't pay for good developers. You get what you pay for

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cbegin replied ago:

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Hilarious. But absoulutely truthful.....if you suck as a developer.

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daniel replied ago:

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I'm pretty impressed that this article has managed to get promoted with _5_ complaints on it!

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afsina complained ago:

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afsina reported this link as lame on 11/08/2006 @ 01:31:56

Php is a joke comapring JEE 5 (J2EE sucks tough.)

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unchqua replied ago:

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So as we all know that that guy is ~90% wrong (and ~10% right), let's just laugh for a minute and pass on. There's no need to complain any more.

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lockjaw replied ago:

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Actually, J2EE *does* suck huge donkey balls. I know J2EE personally, and, as disgusting as it is, I can vouch for it.

I also know C personally, and I can safely say that C does *not* suck donkey balls at all, although it leaves its shit all over the living room and tries to hog the couch when I want to watch Battlestar Galactica.

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fauigerzigerk complained ago:

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fauigerzigerk reported this link as lame on 11/08/2006 @ 05:56:59

Could be funny if it wasn't seriously incompetent as well. Whether you put SQL directly into a page template is not a question of using PHP or JSP, it's a design question.

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jwenting replied ago:

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What do you expect from /.? The only surprise I'd get there is if they were positive about anything at all to do with Java or Microsoft...

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jwenting reported this link as lame on 11/09/2006 @ 05:46:36

typical slashdot idiocy.

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Gene Gotimer complained ago:

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dzone@portinfo.com reported this link as lame on 11/09/2006 @ 03:45:32

The link is a rant that the Java developers he knows are incompetent, which has nothing to do with J2EE.

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