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Published: Dec 05 2008 / 07:40

This is the first day of javaFX official life,as its official launch was few hours ago , so as a java fan, i go to javaFX homepage and grabbed all the downloads(IDE,Production suite,SDK) while downloading , i went to there demos page www.javafx.com/samples/, then i was shocked…
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Miloskov replied ago:

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Im not so impressive with JavaFX and Sun people said we will be. JavaFX still feel like a beta SDK, lots of bugs, errors, applets loading is really very slow, videos flicker when scroll or move the mouse, it feels that JavaFX have a long way ahead. Where is the 3D features they showed at JavaOne08?, They said now that 3D is coming soon but when?, Flash 10 already have that functionality.

Maybe JavaFX is little better than Silverlight but it can not compete yet to Flash/Flex. Also as a developer I have to use Netbeans to develop with it?, I hate Netbeans, I want to use Eclipse or IntelliJ or anything else where are the plugins support, more tutorials, books?.

And as the author of the article said they still not eating their own food, they still doing almost all the site in Ajax, so it means Ajax is more powerful for RIA than JavaFX.

Excuse me but JavaFX 1.0 sucks!.

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Eric Suen replied ago:

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If applet succeed, Sun does not need to create javafx, if applet has failed, what's the point create javafx run on applet?

adobe using actionscript + XML for Flex, MS using C# + XML for silverlight, what's the point Sun create a totally new language when Java is such succeed?

What we need is Java + subset java library + multimedia support + fast startup + a good tools

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killerweb replied ago:

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No excuses, eating your own dog food is a must! Totally agree with the author. Wake up Sun, you will never catch up to flash or even Javascript in this case. I wish developers could learn from the past, this constant repeating failure is sickening.

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fabriziogiudici replied ago:

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Sorry, but this post is frankly a troll. There are many things that can be criticized about JavaFX 1.0, but not that "the site is not made with JavaFX". There are 39 online demos in the site made with JavaFX. A _website_ is not a RIA, and I think that some very simple presentations, such the index of the demos, are just ok for dynamic HTML, just a matter of simplicity. So, I don't see any problem in seeing some AJAX on JavaFX website.

For the record, Flash 10 doesn't have any real 3D: only 2D where 3D can be "emulated" by the proper perspective code. No hardware acceleration, Adobe is still working on this. So, it's no more and no less than JavaFX. On the other hand, Java has already optimized 3D and native acceleration, which means that the timeline for having it in JavaFX is not long. Of course, hoping that Sun engineers are able to keep the advantage. On the other hand, if you want to use real 3D in JavaFX, probably it's already possible since Java and JavaFX can be mixed together.

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Miloskov replied ago:

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Ok Im agree on what did you said but as you said if you want 3D now use Java, God Damn so what is the point of JavaFX?, Still my question what brings JavaFX that does not have right now Java??. JavaFX is a useless marketing hype to get customers for Sun in some way because they could be done tomorrow with this economy crisis.

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Miloskov replied ago:

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Im sorry but my guts are telling me JavaFX is not a safe bet, I better keep my apps in Java with Swing and Java2D and JOGL and be done with this JavaFX FAD.

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hchaudh1 replied ago:

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@Otengi
Why are you trolling all JavaFX posts today?

I personally think JavaFX is a step in the right direction, at least for me personally. I am a web developer by profession. I have tried to develop desktop apps in Swing, but the motivation (due to the huge learning curve) wasn't there. Plus, incorporating that in any of my projects would have meant huge costs and overhead for the project, so no go.
With JavaFX, at least I can develop little widgets like graphs etc. relatively quickly, maybe incroporate little how-to tutorial videos etc. without the need for Adobe tooling which isn't there in our company.
I am not a whizbang actionscript developer and for me, I think JavaFX would allow me to create RIA's in a rather simple manner and integrate it into my apps without needing new tooling, training etc.

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Miloskov replied ago:

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Ok thats good points you have there and Im agree if benefits in that way you and Java is ok with me but Im tired of the same thing since the 90's with Sun they said something but is another always hype and marketing but not the real thing. Maybe you are right JavaFX will be good for the web developer that wants to do desktop apps but still not there, that was my first post in this articles. JavaFX in paper looks promising but now in real I dont think so, It need long time to get mature and usable. I know many people can get pissed with my posts because yes JavaFX is an effort but I would prefer be honest and say that JavaFX will not have 3D support and loading slow applets since JavaOne08 than to wait to the release and said Im sorry but that will coming soon as the Linux support that is BS.

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dragmire replied ago:

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He trolls the PHP stuff too, I'm not surprised he's found another target to troll.

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Miloskov replied ago:

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Haha dont get me started with that "bad designed, ugly kitchen sink crappy scripting language called (Personal Home Page)" PHP.

I just saying the true, Sun paint JavaFX as the next thing but it is not that, it is just another script/tooling to learn about with a long roadmap to go.

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Miloskov replied ago:

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Anyway good luck with JavaFX and congrats to the JavaFX team for the effort, specially JRE6_10 it help a lot to Java.

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