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Published: May 14 2008 / 08:01

JavaOne wrapped up on Friday. We hosted individuals from across the globe, and from every industry: consumer electronics and gaming, to enterprise IT, space exploration, factory automation, the automotive industry, academia - like the network itself, Java delivers something for nearly everyone, everywhere.
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Jacek replied ago:

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I strongly disagree with Sun's approach to RIA that involves creating a whole new language. Instead they should have enhanced the core base Java language (not just the platform) to make using it in RIA easy. By forcing a whole new language Sun is discarding the enormous pool of Java developers with many years of experience...a poor choice.

If they have to switch languages to easily do RIA, maybe they will just choose Flex instead. Much less hassle, installation and better development tools. Did you think about that Mr. Schwartz?

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byron12 replied ago:

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Jacek, you don't have to choose a new language - only if you want a simpler means of interacting with the platform. You can of course just use basic Java...,

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Jacek replied ago:

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Have you tried it? I tried using Project Scenegraph by hand and it seems very painful. Sun could have thought of doing something along the lines of XAML to allow declarative UI + Java-side code backing it.

Besides, every sample of JavaFX I've seen thus far suffers from extreme cases of closing bracket hell...just look at the last few lines of the tetris FX sample:


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netsql replied ago:

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Since JavaOne, we find that applets can be deploy on PowerPoint slides.
What I am saying is that there are no end users! There are no end users for Java applets. VERY FEW!!

Check out these deployment numbers: http://onflex.org and compare those to some number of end users that can run java applets.

It's a shame since applets where here ahead of SilverLight and ahed of Flex. But Sun did not invest in deploying to end users then.

And now we get theoretical of how it could have been. PowerPoint and marketing, no end user deployments capable of running applets.
Home page of JavaLobby, a java supporter, has Flash.

Show me the money Scwartz, where are the links of end users using applets? If not now... when?

Blowing smoke.

.V
ps: not having a business model is not something to blog about.

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Pavel Jann replied ago:

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I've looked at Adobe Flex, and there's no way I'm going to build my apps on their proprietary platform.

It's hard to use, difficult to understand, with a lock-in straight to Adobe. Thank heavens for open source Java... Adobe can call me when they embrace the GPL.
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Jacek replied ago:

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Uhm...you do know that the core Flex SDK is going to be released under the Mozilla license?

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex:Open_Source
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Jacek replied ago:

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Check out this great thread with input from Sun engineers:
http://java.dzone.com/articles/paying-price-javafx#comment-3256

It seems all the JavaFX-related enhancements are going into the base java platform and hence will be usable to all languages running on the VM.

Also, there will be a new JWebPane that integrates WebKit! Double-yay!

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