Published: Aug 12 2010 / 22:33
So Google is actually doing something innovative with the Java platform and Oracle is suing them for it? This is really disappointing. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come from Oracle.
Ok, how do I vote "Yes this is newsworthy" and at the same time "BOO to Oracle"
Google makes Java relevant in mobile world. And yes, BOO to Oracle.
I wonder those what those high profile Open JDK developers from Google will do now.
I wonder what those high profile Open JDK developers from Google will do now.
Google does not make money with Android so why Oracle sue them is unbelievable!, Google make money just with ads, Boooo to Oracle, that is really a bad move from Oracle to Android and Java.
This is maybe cause Larry is close friend of steve and they can kill 2 birds(Google using Java and Android competitor to iphone) in one shot.
Since IBM, Microsoft and all the big IT corporations all this years it is getting to tired and boring, This is competition?, this is not competition or business, this WAR.
Actually - Google licenses Android (without paying license fee, phone vendors can not include google branded apps (GMail, Google Maps, ...) or use Android market) as well as gets their share of the Android market sales...
+1 for the news. Shame on Oracle for the news content.
Google should have bought SUN back than. Instead of YouTube or other expensive but no profit generating companies, they should have simply bought SUN and have everything.
It is a right act for Oracle. It is interesting to see what will develop in the near future. Will Oracle ask the court to stop selling Android phones?
I don't like to judge who is right, who is wrong. It is too hard for outsider to know the true. It is just business.
Right or not right - law is not always perfect. Sometimes it's better to not obey the law for the goodness of us all.
This trial makes bad effects for all of the involved parties: Oracle, Google, Java, and us, Java developers. It moves Microsoft into a good position - during this trial, interest in Java may decrease, and interest in .net may increase.
In my country there's a saying, which could be roughly translated as: "where the two are fighting, the third takes the profit".
So what is next, suing MySQL users? Apache? The development world has been waiting for Oracle to make a step to quash the open source community and Oracle has not disappointed. I mourned the day Sun was bought by Oracle. Oracle has been telling the MySQL community, don't worry, we aren't big and evil. Now they are suing Google for Java.
Big mistake -- you don't sue your best customer.
Moreover this may kill Java.
Right: Google should have bought Sun (might had been a good feeling to own MySQL). Can someone now please port Scala and Clojure on an independent layer? Oracle is not spreading trust about Java. A pity.
Even if somebody implemented a 'new', Java-independent virtual machine to run Scala or Closure, Oracle could still sue.
Notice the topics of the patents: they are very generic (security, class packaging, ...), and used by many open-source software. In fact Oracle can sue makers of many other open-source and commercial software.
A good practice of software gigants is to allow free using of software patents in FOSS software, whereas paid use in commercial software. Unfortunately, Oracle prefers greediness.
In other words they could end suing almost anybody and everybody in the java business on generic implementations on certains aspects of the technology? RedHat, SpringSource even IBM etc?
Yes, they could. if not using these patents then using others - Oracle has lots of patented things, and one can always find an infringement. It's only a good (or bad) will of patent owner.
AFAIK, IBM pays patent license fees, but Spring and RedHat - I don't know.
Although non-software patents are arguably good, software is a bit different ("soft") thing, where patents are usually evil: they may stop innovation in smaller and midsize IT companies and may stop open-source projects. Some FOSS projects were really stopped or slowed down due to patent problems: http://eupat.ffii.org/patents/effects/
For example Microsoft found that an average Linux distro has above 200 patent infringements from Microsoft only (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2007/05/microsoft-235-patent-specific-patent-infringements-in-linux.ars ). Luckily Microsoft is not Oracle and prefers more peaceful resolutions of problems.
Is Oracle going to kill Java? They are making trails instead of improving Java language and technology (eg. Java language development is many years behind languages like Scala or C#).
This leaves Java in bad position (FUD - fear, uncertainity, doubt), which is good neither for Java nor for Oracle and Google.
Oracle, shame on you!
AGREED, Oracle is an ASS, it will kill Java, Oracle is a cash cow only interested on their profit but they give a damn to the Java platform and community. So this is a sign that Java is dead in the hands of Oracle. Oracle Idiots!.
Interesting I wonder why my comment was deleted when I said the Dalvik vm is far more efficent than anything Sun or Oracle could come up with?
I am not aware of any comments being deleted. Maybe it was automatically deleted by Akismet for some reason?
I do not have faith in Oracle being a "innovator" or "inventor" in the Java space. In fact I don't even see Oracle as a technology company in so much as a Company that buys stuff, sells stuff and has IP on a lucrative database technology (with a talent for making a hell of a lot of profit ruthlessly). In a ideal world Google should have bought out Sun, their philosophies are somewhat similar. Google has far better vision and execution of innovative Ideas than the leaders of Sun ever had. Sun was playing catchup to the rest of the world. Sun was too busy playing Checkers while the rest of the world was playing Chess.
the rest of the world is playing sc2 not chess
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