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By skoop
via benjismith.net
Published: Jan 09 2008 / 05:05

I’m currently in the planning stages of building a hosted Java web application (yes, it has to be Java, for a variety of reasons that I don’t feel like going into right now). In the process, I’m evaluating a bunch of J2EE portlet-enabled JSR-compliant MVC role-based CMS web service application container frameworks. And after spending dozens of hours reading through feature lists and documentation, I’m ready to gouge out my eyes.
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xexamedes replied ago:

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I understand your frustration. I've felt it myself a number of times. Even if the ambition of web frameworks (Because you're not dissing server-side frameworks as such do you?) is to be unobtrusive, it rarely, if ever happens.

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reido56 replied ago:

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Funny. It hammers home the point that frameworks should have a usable default, regardless of how ultra-configurable the framework is.

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dzonelurker replied ago:

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Java frameworks have usable defaults? Since when?

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willcode4beer replied ago:

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Mmmm.... hate frameworks? don't use them.
problem solved.

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raveman replied ago:

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funny, tell us more, how can we not use them and what to say on code reviews when you will be told to refactor that crap and dont reinvent the wheel (some people also dont like when you implement your own hashtable, just small amout of bosses encourage that)

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willcode4beer replied ago:

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"how can we not use them"
Ummm, just don't. How do you "not pour a cup of coffee"? Maybe I'm not getting what you were trying to say.

If someone is going to re-invent a framework, then they must not hate them *that* much.

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pt93903 replied ago:

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Old. I've seen some of his forum posts on the joelonsoftware and he comes across as one of those guys who just likes to talk big.

And of course such guys are scared of letting others see what kind of code they write and whet frameworks they use. Case in point, this link below:

http://benjismith.net/projects.php

This page above has been like that for the last two years :)

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