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After the speakers dinner at JAOO I got into a testosterone filled conversation with David Simmons from Microsoft. The conversation pitted the CLR against the JVM. While I've got nothing much to say about the CLR except that it is a PITA to get information out of it, I will defend the JVM as being a technology that has benefited from all of the stresses put on it due to multiple implementation. IMLE, this comptetive pressure has made the JVM a better than the CLR. Not surprisingly David wasn't about to agree. However....